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Jose Silvestri and Cameron Gera go over the 2019 State of Haskell Survey and encourage you to fill it out.

Episode 24 was published on 2019-11-08.



>> Hello and welcome to the Haskell Weekly podcast. As you might have guessed, this show is about Haskell, a purely functional programming language. I'm your host Cameron Gera. I'm an engineer here at ITProTV, and with me today we have ...

>> Jose Silvestri. I'm an intern at ITProTV.

>> Woo! We got our intern in here. He's pretty witty, pretty cool. We're excited to have you on the show today, man.

>> Thank you man, appreciate it.

>> Jose, what are we talking about today?

>> So we're talking about our Haskell survey.

>> Well it's not OUR Haskell survey, it's THE Haskell survey.

>> THE Haskell survey.

>> It's big -- it's big time guys, it's big time. But no, Taylor, our -- he was also on this podcast a lot. He kind of put together this Haskell survey that he does. He's done this for two years now, well this will be his third year. So kind of putting, you know, a survey out to kind of get the temperature of, you know, Haskell. What the community wants, what the community commonly uses, what kind of trends and stuff like that, you know. What does the Haskell -- you know, what did the Haskell survey kind of glean for you, as you did it?

>> Yeah I really thought -- there's a section on it of what would I like to see more of content-wise about Haskell, and that was a really useful thing to me because I feel like there's certain areas of, sort of, the Haskell info sphere that are very lacking, and I think surveys like this are very useful on that end, just for people to see what the community wants, what's missing, what type of content needs to be made and so on.

>> Right, yeah. I think, you know, for me taking the survey for the second year, you know, looking at it this year, it's very, you know, there was, you know, a section on community. How do you feel like you fit into the community, do you feel like it's welcoming, do you feel like you can communicate with people. And I think that's one thing, you know, as I looked at those questions was like, I probably haven't plugged in to the Haskell community as much as I want to, you know. But you kind of use all these things that are out there but it was kind of a good introspective to look at like, oh we should probably be in the community a little bit more.

>> For sure. And also it's a good place I guess see what avenues of communication there are. It's also a really nice list just to see what's out there.

>> Yeah Taylor did a very thorough job of making sure you know all the stuff's out there. But I'm also you know we want you to know: these surveys, these are -- there's more surveys like this out there, you know. I know Stack Overflow does, you know, development for the year and kind of, you know, you can see the temperature of who's using what programming languages, what tools they're using, stuff like that. And so I think this was really nice to kind of dive in. This one specifically to dive into Haskell you know being a mostly Haskell programmer now. It was cool to kind of put in my input.

>> Yeah for sure. I think getting the temperature of the Haskell community is particularly important for our community.

>> Right right right. We want to -- the Haskell community as a whole is kind of, you know, it's there, but it's been under the, you know -- underneath and, you know, there's not really a lot of: "Oh, Haskell! Using Haskell, that's awesome!" People like: "You're using Haskell, what's that?" So getting a survey out like this can, you know, kind of get, you know -- cause there's I mean looking at the survey results from the previous years, which will link to in the show notes here, but you know there's trends you see of like, there's people who fill out the survey who have never touched Haskell, but they found it. And like that's exposure you know. So surveys like this kind of open up, you know, opportunities for people to learn about programming languages. In our case, Haskell.

>> Yeah for sure. It's really good to get some feedback on the accessibility of our community, not only in terms of the people in it, but also, we are sort of in a community where we have very specific -- a very specific language for talking about things, and let me be off-putting to a lot of people. I feel like maybe getting people's feedback on that, that are not part -- already part of the community, and how they sort of internalize this language when they first hear it.

>> It's very interesting.

>> Yeah, no and I think that's ... Haskell seems like this big bad scary thing, and I think a lot of people carry that. And you know this survey allows us to kind of get the temperature. Is that really the case or is that just something we're saying? So I'm really excited about this year's survey. And you know, because now we'll have three years of data, I know we'll kind of be analyzing some trends a little bit more. I know we want to get this data out to the community and out to the development community as a whole, but also the, you know, more particularly the Haskell community, to kind of see: "Oh, like ..." You know, "Oh Jose, you use Visual Studio, like, oh there's another thousand people who also use Visual Studio. Maybe I should give it a try and see what extensions there are, and you know packages that will help me be a more effective, you know, developer.

>> You know, when it comes to dealing with Haskell." So you know there's a lot of different cool things in there. I would definitely recommend all of our listeners here to go check it out. It takes like, what -- five, ten minutes?

>> Yeah I literally filled that out while I was waiting for my food to come out.

>> During lunch today he took the survey, which is good, you know. We wanted to be prepared for this podcast, so we both took it today. But yeah I would definitely recommend everyone to go check it out. It is open until November 14th 2019, so be sure to fill that out quick. The time is running out. We have seven days left, so by the time -- it's just now the 7th, by the time you guys get this in your hands, it may be close to the deadline. So please, please, please go check it out. But yeah, you got any other, like -- what has been your feedback and experience with other surveys. Like how does the Haskell survey compare?

>> I don't take that many surveys, honestly. But this one was, like -- I took it not only because I know Taylor, but also because I do care about this language and community, and I think it's a very quick and very effective way to help out our community. And hopefully sort of be a little nudge in the right direction.

>> Right yeah yeah. I don't take a lot of surveys either so it really was a loaded question, I'm sorry. But you know it's one of the things that nobody has really a lot of time to take surveys, but I definitely encourage all of you to check it out. But I think we're gonna keep this episode short. Was there anything else you want to touch on?

>> Not really but, yeah. We just wanted to get the word out about the survey, and encourage you guys to, if you're listening, to go ahead and fill that out.

>> Check it out, what what!

>> Check it out bro!

>> Awesome. Well guys, thank you for joining us. Jose, thank you for being on the show today man.

>> Thank you for having me, Cam.

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